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TheViking
10-12-2004, 09:42 AM
I do not know much about the situation of churches in the USA, but in Europe very few churches are actually growing. The few churches I know of that actually grows, seems to gain members from other churches rather than getting new believers to come.
A lot of the kids who are born into the church disappear over the years as well. Here are a few observations around this phenomenon.
When I grew up in church, church was a family thing. Of course we had Sunday school, activities for kids and youth work, but the congregation would be together in praise and worship across the ages. To me, this was a good thing. You knew people from every age segment in your church. The young ones would bring in passion and excitement; the older member would have the wisdom and give guidance to the young ones. We went to regional gatherings, national gatherings and of course had activities happening for the different age groups as well, but then something happened. I think it must have been an attempt to offer a wider assortment of activities to keep people coming to church but obviously it has not been working all that well here.
Every age segment has set of their own activities. Kids under 6 yrs old, kids from 6 to 13, young ones from 13 to 18 yrs of age, young couples, young singles, young married couples, young families, middle age couples, middle age singles, senior citizens and so on. To me this looks like we are getting congregations within the congregations. This can be positive, but more and more we see that the barriers between the segments are unnatural limits. Many people seem to have a hard time crossing over to their “right” group. I remember when this change started to taking place during the mid 1980’s, the church I was in had a youth choir with approx 170 member, within a couple of years it was reduced to less than 40, and maybe 30 of the guys from back then, are still members of a church.
These days the kids only attend regular services if the children’s choir has a gig. Young people show up for youth services or go to regular services if they are going to perform drama, sing or dance. Old people do not attend family services and so on and so on. This just can’t be right. We need to get the entire church back in a room. Kids, young ones, old ones, families and singles all joining in at the same time in praise and worship. Mixing styles and forms, music, dance, drama, using what is special for each segment to lift up the Lord. I am all for having loads of activities in church. I would love to see any church filled with people all the days of the week, but we need to find away to let people interact across all of the different segments. What do you guys think about this?

kewlpack
10-12-2004, 02:24 PM
Yepper... I've been beating this drum ever since I moved to Texas. In the Central MidWest of the USA (the heartlands), the more conservative churches still keep the family together (teenies all the way to the 90 year olds) and the congregations have a strong family atmosphere.

The phenomenon of all these ministries for every age group (and sub-age group) are simply an unconscious (or conscious) mimic of worldly approaches for dealing with various "perceived needs". Unfortunately, some of these needs can really only be met through a strong family bond at home first. That's another thread... :roll:

Now while I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with any particular ministry if it is done well and brings our Lord the honor due him, I am confident that God never intended for the church to be the predominant source of rifts and generation gaps within our families. How strange - we have been talking about this subject with another family from church over the last two weeks - wow. The Spirit must be movin'!

Guys, Satan knows well how to divide and conquer...by destroying genuine fellowship and comaraderie (even within our families) - and that is the sad result of many of these ministries. Perhaps our leaders should review the results and revise their plans. Throw out those things which do not edify the whole body.

It should be noted that the early church was 100% family-centric through and through. They would look at the myriad ministries of today and faint from disgust I am afraid...okay, maybe disgust is a strong word... they would see it as unnecessary and creating a vulnerability where there doesn't need to be one.

Just 2¢.
~A~