Now, I'm frustrated

[Hooligan]

On this weeks set list is a Song titled "Jesus paid It All". It's is a new song for us all. I get the music and the chart is full of chords I have never seen before. Frankly I think they are all made up to cause me grey hair.

:sos: :sos: :sos:

B5, E2, B/D#, F#4 and this one kills me C#m7 (add 4)

If my hair was long enough to pull, it'd all be on the floor right now. None of the numerous charts I have tell me what (add4) is. Where can I find a chart of these E2 type chords.

[hotraman]

This is a great song and worth the effort to learn!
Our church family ( young and old) really like it & we do the "Passion" version. Visit this site below:

http://www.pwarchive.com/about/

They have a transposing feature that is really cool.
I have a version of this song in the key of C major, if you want.
e-mail me a PM if you would like for me to send it.

steve

[KOR]

Try this site
http://www.looknohands.com/chordhouse/guitar/index_db.html

[UncleMarker]

None of the numerous charts I have tell me what (add4) is. Where can I find a chart of these E2 type chords.

In general, the numbers are scale degrees - start with the root of the chord as 1 and play up the scale until you get to the number. For example - E2 would add an F# to the E chord; C#m7 add 4 (let me think - c#,d#, e, f#...) would add an F# to the c# e g# b. Sometimes, adding a certain number makes you add another - i.e. a 9 means add 7 and 9. All in all, it makes me glad to be a bass player...

While you're learning, the easiest way is to simplify - try a C#m chord instead.

Also sounds like maybe a cut-capo song(?) - that would help some of the chord voicings too.

[Hooligan]

In general, the numbers are scale degrees - start with the root of the chord as 1 and play up the scale until you get to the number. For example - E2 would add an F# to the E chord; C#m7 add 4 (let me think - c#,d#, e, f#...) would add an F# to the c# e g# b. Sometimes, adding a certain number makes you add another - i.e. a 9 means add 7 and 9. All in all, it makes me glad to be a bass player...

:hmm: :hmm: ........uh ! ??? ??? ???

[Jaybo]

All in all, it makes me glad to be a bass player... lol


Capo at the 2nd fret and play

A, D, A (add in 6th fret on A string if you'd like - D#), E, C#m7


Off the top o' me head that should work.

Can somebody confirm if this is close?

[davesg]

Hooligan, don't get frustrated. There are always new chords to learn, or ways to get around them. I am not a technically great guitar player. I am able to praise Jesus though. Many times I have found that a lot of the chords listed in the chord sheets are unnecessary. Many of the piano players I have worked with in P&W don't even play them. for now at least, try playing the song in a simplier method. See which chords are necessary. Then add into the song a little at a time. One thing I try to focus on is remembering what I am doing when I play. I am giving my best to the Lord. My best has improved over time, God has been patient with me, and will be with you as well. Just try to relax and enjoy the time spent with Him.


And hotraman, thanks for that link, I've never seen it before.

[Wally]

All in all, it makes me glad to be a bass player... lol


Capo at the 2nd fret and play

A, D, A (add in 6th fret on A string if you'd like - D#), E, C#m7


Off the top o' me head that should work.

Can somebody confirm if this is close?

A, D, A (add in 6th fret on A string if you'd like - D#), E, Bm7

you just forgot to transpose the C#m7

even easier.... capo at 4th fret, play:

G, C, G, D, Am7

That is how I would do it as I avoid A chords as much as possible... :yikes:

Songs like this are a great example of why a capo is an excellent tool, and not a crutch.... and after a while you will get much quicker at changing keys lol

[Diana J.]

Knowing at least a little music theory is helpful
to all musicians. I was taught that scales and chords
are 2 ways of looking at the same things, but one
is horizontal and the other is vertical. If you learn
the pattern (or shapes) for a major scale and a
minor scale, then the numbering of the "degrees"
makes sense. Then its easy to just count up the
degrees and know what note corresponds to
"7" or "4" or whatever.
But as a bass player I find it very helpful to know
guitar chords. Then I can look at the guitarists
hands and know what key the song is in and the
most prominant chords.
It all FUN.

[MikeW]

I use a capo a lot. I play with some brass,(trumpet,trombone), saxophone oboe, etc. They play in in #'s and b's.

I downloaded a transposer program for $19.95 from Split Infinity.

Works great. Just copy, paste, transpose, print.

Here's a link.

http://www.simusic.com/

[Steelstrum]

A capo can help you out in the short term. If you want to go the distance and learn the new chords, a dvd that might help you out is Paul Baloche's Acoustic Guitar DVD. He can help you take those odd chords and put 'em in context.

[Teleguy]

...a dvd that might help you out is Paul Baloche's Acoustic Guitar DVD. He can help you take those odd chords and put 'em in context.

Excellent idea.
I heartily second that motion.

[hotraman]

Knowing at least a little music theory is helpful
to all musicians. I was taught that scales and chords
are 2 ways of looking at the same things, but one
is horizontal and the other is vertical. If you learn
the pattern (or shapes) for a major scale and a
minor scale, then the numbering of the "degrees"
makes sense. Then its easy to just count up the
degrees and know what note corresponds to
"7" or "4" or whatever.
But as a bass player I find it very helpful to know
guitar chords. Then I can look at the guitarists
hands and know what key the song is in and the
most prominant chords.
It all FUN.


I agree, with Diana's post :)
Knowing some basic theory will take away the mystery of key changes, etc :D

[OrovilleTim]

I was looking at something that included all kinds of weird codes. I sat it down out of intimidation. Then I figured, no one would really play those chords and thought they had to be meant for a capo.

So, I took all the chords and made them into a text file. Then I pasted the song into this: http://www.logue.net/xp/index.htm

I then experimented with different target keys to find a list of chords that looked familiar. Then I figured out how many frets I had to count to put the capo on to play the chords I came up with. Wallah!

So, by putting a capo on the first fret, and finding out the familiar name of the chords, I can now play a pretty mean Edelweiss, even though I almost got scared away! :D

[MikeW]

I was looking at something that included all kinds of weird codes. I sat it down out of intimidation. Then I figured, no one would really play those chords and thought they had to be meant for a capo.

So, I took all the chords and made them into a text file. Then I pasted the song into this: http://www.logue.net/xp/index.htm
I then experimented with different target keys to find a list of chords that looked familiar. Then I figured out how many frets I had to count to put the capo on to play the chords I came up with. Wallah!


That is an excellent online site.

[stephen]

I was looking at something that included all kinds of weird codes. I sat it down out of intimidation. Then I figured, no one would really play those chords and thought they had to be meant for a capo.

So, I took all the chords and made them into a text file. Then I pasted the song into this: http://www.logue.net/xp/index.htm
I then experimented with different target keys to find a list of chords that looked familiar. Then I figured out how many frets I had to count to put the capo on to play the chords I came up with. Wallah!


That is an excellent online site.

You aint just whistlin dixie there MikeW! That is a cool site, especially for someone like me that doesnt know any musical theory, and just sorts things out by ear.

[Steelstrum]

Wow!!! I know a little theory, but that site is going to take a major chunk out of my work day. Don't know what I'll do with the time now....practice....or go online....practice.....go online....... ;)

[Hooligan]

Wow!!! I know a little theory, but that site is going to take a major chunk out of my work day. Don't know what I'll do with the time now....practice....or go online....practice.....go online....... ;)

I am glad I asked the question for sure now !

[hotraman]

This site looks really good!
Are the chords accurate when transposed?

[davesg]

This site looks really good!
Are the chords accurate when transposed?

I tried it the other day, worked great. No hassles. :yeah: :guitar1:

[OrovilleTim]

This site looks really good!
Are the chords accurate when transposed?

I tried it the other day, worked great. No hassles. :yeah: :guitar1:

Yep. I use it all the time. Last few days I've been taking a lot of songs that I have collected that I just would "play", and transposing them to new keys that allow me to play and sing.

Experiment a little with some of the output formats also. You can get it to include the chords in the music, etc. I usually just use the plain-text stuff, but could see real value for some who might want other formats.

It really is an awesome tool. I just keep fearing that it will disappear someday now that I'm so reliant on it.

[hotraman]

Thanks, Tim for the response!
steve